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kito · Mar 19, 2006, 11:41 AM // 11:41

Wtf Is A 55 Monk??? :d

Tsunami Rain · Mar 19, 2006, 11:44 AM // 11:44

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Originally Posted by kito

Wtf Is A 55 Monk??? :d

lol a bit more searching would usually be required for me to answer, but I'll give in..just this once

A 55 monk is a monk that uses 5 superior runes and a -50 offhand to drop his HP down to 55. The monk then uses Protective spirit so that damage to him is about 5 per hit.

kito · Mar 19, 2006, 11:49 AM // 11:49

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Originally Posted by Tsunami Rain

lol a bit more searching would usually be required for me to answer, but I'll give in..just this once

A 55 monk is a monk that uses 5 superior runes and a -50 offhand to drop his HP down to 55. The monk then uses Protective spirit so that damage to him is about 5 per hit.

Aha I see, and I still dont understand what is it with all these "ebay" characters...

Tsunami Rain · Mar 19, 2006, 12:00 PM // 12:00

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Originally Posted by kito

Aha I see, and I still dont understand what is it with all these "ebay" characters...

People make bots then rush them through the game then power level them to 20 slap on 55 gear and run them through a programed path to farm for them remotely. These people leave their computers on all day and build up a large sum of money which they then sell on ebay (which is against Arena Net's legal note) for money. And since it is against Arena Net's policy to sell Guild Wars related merchandise (which include ingame items and cd keys) unless given their consent, I believe Arena Net has an ongoing effort to stop bot users. I hope that clarified some things for you.

Xenrath · Mar 19, 2006, 12:02 PM // 12:02

This will probably get flamed to hell and back but as a radical "solution" to the problem of farm botting - the only reason it exists on an industrial scale is because there are people out there prepared to pay real world cash for virtual items/gold.

Hence no matter what Anet do, others will try to work around it to continue the farming. Altering the crystal desert has now shifted a chunk of those industrial farming outfits to here it seems. So what next? Alter the new spot? They'll just go look for, and farm, somewhere else. All because they can make real world money out of it.

So, a radical idea - Anet, sell Gold etc. yourself officially, at rates same as/lower than the industrialists. Legalise it in such a way that it's still against EULA for others to sell stuff, but OK from Official Source i.e. Anet, maybe that might put the industrial farmbots out of business. If they drop their prices, drop yours, until eventually they go out of business.

I'm not sure but I think maybe Sony or some other mmog producer offers something similar?

Note: this is something I'm personally on the fence about (the idea), I don't personally condone of ebaying for gold etc and this is just an idea. Discuss, don't flame

kito · Mar 19, 2006, 12:05 PM // 12:05

Ok I gotch anow thanks for clearing things up for me! Bastard bot makers....

dgb · Mar 19, 2006, 12:07 PM // 12:07

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Originally Posted by Manic Smile

remove offhand

make redundant runes have no effect at all

gg 55 monk

They would have removed the offhand ages ago if they thought it was an issue.

Making redundant runes have no effect converts every 55 monk into a 55 ele.

Great idea...

Jiao Yang · Mar 19, 2006, 12:08 PM // 12:08

Lol i just went to look at these again in Droks ID1.. what is all that speech anyway? Are they trying to sell things?

nitrile · Mar 19, 2006, 12:17 PM // 12:17

I don't really have much to add, but I think the 55 monk should be stopped as a farming mechanism. You only need to look at its primary attribute to get an idea of what was really intended. And you only need to look in the monk forum (anywhere) to see what most people see it as. Unfortunately I think the time for anything to happen to protective spirit or rune stacking would have been among the skill updates at the start of this month, if anything were ever going to, so I'm resigned to it never being fixed. But I'll still complain about it.

As for rune farming, there's no problem with that as far as I can see. If it's abused - like the griffons were, the prices drop so that most runes are low prices, and the minor chance of a super vigour/absorb makes it barely worth the time expenditure in looking for them. A similar case to green item farming, it's all self regulating.

I also have a short story on a different but related topic about someone I know who did buy ebay money last week. He was scammed out of 100k through means of which it's not my business to relate, and felt dejected at the thought of farming (solo - warrior) it again. So he bought it back (and overcompensated I'll add). In the realm of wild but undisprovable speculation I don't consider it impossible that some of these ebay sellers scam GW money and then sell it for dollars. They're not playing for fun, they're playing for profit, and you can bet your life there's no real laws against it.

=HT=Ingram · Mar 19, 2006, 12:20 PM // 12:20

Heres a concept. Only allow decent drops for full parties... I could respect that...

Full parties % chance of Gold and Purple drops.
(Greens only possible in full parties) (Greens not possible with henchies)

1/2 party % chance of Purples... (Make Globs of Ecto and Shards and Gems equivilant to purple drops.)

solo White only for salvage purposes... (otherwise how can you ever be expected to craft anything...)

Better yet. Eliminate the trade button, make every drop instantly customized for the person finding it. Thus they can either use it, or salvage it, or sell it to a NPC, and thats it. As I had said from the beginning.

Tsunami Rain · Mar 19, 2006, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

This will probably get flamed to hell and back but as a radical "solution" to the problem of farm botting - the only reason it exists on an industrial scale is because there are people out there prepared to pay real world cash for virtual items/gold.

Hence no matter what Anet do, others will try to work around it to continue the farming. Altering the crystal desert has now shifted a chunk of those industrial farming outfits to here it seems. So what next? Alter the new spot? They'll just go look for, and farm, somewhere else. All because they can make real world money out of it.

So, a radical idea - Anet, sell Gold etc. yourself officially, at rates same as/lower than the industrialists. Legalise it in such a way that it's still against EULA for others to sell stuff, but OK from Official Source i.e. Anet, maybe that might put the industrial farmbots out of business. If they drop their prices, drop yours, until eventually they go out of business.

I'm not sure but I think maybe Sony or some other mmog producer offers something similar?

Note: this is something I'm personally on the fence about (the idea), I don't personally condone of ebaying for gold etc and this is just an idea. Discuss, don't flame

I wont flame you, but I do disagree. If Anet sold gold, that would throw the whole economy out of control. People would pay say $50 bucks for 1mil gold or something and then could go on a buying spree that would jack up rune/dye merchant prices throwing that out of control. Then they might move onto buying runs/powerleveling services to reach ascended level 20 faster. That idea would also make prices soar high. Imagine a rare 15^50 longbow +1 marks 20% at about 80k maybe? Basicly, people that cant afford buying gold wouldn't have any chance of buying decent/good items or runes (not to mention get runs either as that would rise as well). So all in all, I don't think that plan of yours will ever work.

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

Heres a concept. Only allow decent drops for full parties... I could respect that...

Full parties % chance of Gold and purple drops.

1/2 party % chance of Purples...

solo White only for salvage purposes... (otherwise how can you ever be expected to craft anything...)

If that were to happen, the ballance between golds, purples, and whites would be ruined. Golds would be worth significantly less as would purples. Basicly, you are throwing the whole idea of rares and commons right out the window (not to mention you would be making whites more expensive than it currently is). As for your idea of getting rid of the trade function, you're getting rid of player interaction which is key in most games such as Guild Wars.

Xenrath · Mar 19, 2006, 12:30 PM // 12:30

Yeah that was my thought too about the economy, but on the other hand the ones who are buying ebay gold are going to do so even if it is illegal. Hence maybe some method for Anet to get involved and try to control it that way *shrugs* I was going on the premise that making it available from Anet won't necessarily invite all sorts of new people to pay in real cash.

=HT=Ingram · Mar 19, 2006, 12:36 PM // 12:36

I'm not saying golds drop more often then they do now... I saying they should only drop % chance (same as now) in full parties only.. And I revised my statement to include greens and Ecto, ect...

as to increasing the value of other things in the game. so be it. as long as EVERY transaction goes through a NPC I don't care. because ONLY then is the market truly protected. otherwise there will Always be scammers, and Inflators that unfairly effect the market any number of ways. I have not used the trade button since October of last year, and I'm all the better for it... I will never use it again. If they do not have a NPC For Whatever the auction house will be... well I guess it will just all be salvaged for Scrap...

And I start collecting for myself again. Instead of giving stuff to guildies when they want it... (How without trade? simple I drop it in an instance and say take what you want leave the rest) I don't believe in the In game market at all. its corrupt, and overinflated, by cheaters who buy and sell gold. Period...

Plus by eleminating the trade button and making it so gold can not be Dropped by characters on the ground in town or instances... it eliminates all posibility of Gold resellers in the game forever... as trading gold for nothing or for that matter anything would be impossible because player trades would never happen... Only Valid transactions would happen via NPCs... as it should be.

Thuus no more over inflated 100plat +100 Ecto crap. Nothing in the game is worth that much. Only the Infaltors that trade gold to agencies believe it is. If it all went through NPCs (every transaction) Then the market would reflect TRUE values of items in the game. And when you go to sell something to a NPC it would be more realistic to market value, and not some Fake ideal of what people Wish it to be... But since so few people every sell back to a NPC the price never drops... and the buy back is seldom effected to show true value of items.

Tsunami Rain · Mar 19, 2006, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

I'm not saying golds drop more often then they do now... I saying they should only drop % chance (same as now) in full parties only.. And I revised my statement to include greens and Ecto, ect...

as to increasing the value of other things in the game. so be it. as long as EVERY transaction goes through a NPC I don't care. because ONLY then is the market truly protected. otherwise there will Always be scammers, and Inflators that unfairly effect the market any number of ways. I have not used the trade button since October of last year, and I'm all the better for it... I will never use it again. If they do not have a NPC For Whatever the auction house will be... well I guess it will just all be salvaged for Scrap...

And I start collecting for myself again. Instead of giving stuff to guildies when they want it... (How without trade? simple I drop it in an instance and say take what you want leave the rest) I don't believe in the In game market at all. its corrupt, and overinflated, by cheaters who buy and sell gold. Period...

Plus by eleminating the trade button and making it so gold can not be Dropped by characters on the ground in town or instances... it eliminates all posibility of Gold resellers in the game forever... as trading gold for nothing or anything would be impossible...

*opens trade with Ingram*

If your method of no trade button was put in effect, people would still trade items for gold in another way. say; Ectos. People will collect ectos in exchange for items (If you have played D2X I'm sure you can relate). How would they trade you may ask? Simply by dropping them on the ground. Now if everything were personalized that would be going over the deep end as I wouldn't know how many people would still play the game if that were to go into effect.

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Also, if golds do not drop more than they do now, that would mean that full parties would be getting a lot less items per hour than they are now.

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Not to be mean or rude or anything but on a side note, inflation is a natural occuring thing and happens in real life, and just about any type of game where items are present.

=HT=Ingram · Mar 19, 2006, 12:50 PM // 12:50

Exactlly!!! Thus farming... is GONE!!

Gold buying GONE

Inflators GONE

Population in game for people that ACTUALLY play the game... Rises!!!

And I know what you mean... People would just drop gems and resell em. I know this is the reason what I am talking about will never happen. I'm just saying I am getting so sick and tired of the Worthless Exploiters in the game ruining it for people that actually PLAY the dam game... All because of these piece of crap companies paying people to farm gold for them for resell... And then People actually Buying the crap too boot. FURTHER effecting the game for everyone else. I'm temped to say everyone start sending them anthrax or some crap... to kill off the waste of flesh people doing it.

kito · Mar 19, 2006, 12:52 PM // 12:52

naaa i like everything the way it is

Tsunami Rain · Mar 19, 2006, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

Exactlly!!! Thus farming... is GONE!!

Gold buying GONE

Inflators GONE

Population in game for people that ACTUALLY play the game... Rises!!!

I don't really see the connection

care to elaborate? I don't see where farming would be gone as people will still farm for items (as i was saying early ex. ectos) that they would use as equivalents to x-amount of gold (as runes and Stone of Jordan's were used in D2X).

Gold buying on the other hand, would be gone yes. However whatever item that seems to pop up as the next item that will represent gold will still be sold on ebay. Basicly there is a continuing loop that in my point of view can't be stopped.

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Originally Posted by kito

naaa i like everything the way it is

ditto.

However I have come up with a suggestion (It may or may not have been stated already). Arena Net could make a major crackdown on gold resellers (aka bot users) and sue. If this makes headlines on some major gaming sites, chances are that a lot of botters will come to a slowdown. Arena Net would then sue bot users randomly (as it shouldn't only be those that are using say 6 bots at a time) and periodically to keep bot users on the look out.

=HT=Ingram · Mar 19, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02

yea I know. its just frustrating to real players is all... I feel ... IDK. Like I have been raped or something... These waste of flesh people took a game I loved and mutated it into something I from time to time despise... I do what I can to avoid them, buy turning off local and trade, and removing the trade button to remove any temptation... but still ... Its annoying to see this continuing, and for people blatantly disregarding the rules of conduct and getting away with it.

Tsunami Rain · Mar 19, 2006, 01:06 PM // 13:06

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

yea I know. its just frustrating to real players is all... I feel ... IDK. Like I have been raped or something... These waste of flesh people took a game I loved and mutated it into something I from time to time despise... I do what I can to avoid them, buy turning off local and trade, and removing the trade button to remove any temptation... but still ... Its annoying to see this continuing, and for people blatantly disregarding the rules of conduct and getting away with it.

I know what you mean. Although it's a sad fate, all mmo's and rpgs end up like this over time. There really isn't a lot the developers can do about it without ruining the game for the rest of the community.

seifer402 · Mar 19, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

dunno if this post is gonna make any sense at all, but ima put it anyway :P

if anet nerfed farming then everything gets a lot rarer, hence prices soar (i think thats how it works), so if there is no more farming then there is no more trading, if there is no more trading then a huge chunk of the game is destroyed. why shouldn't people farm? the idea of the game might be to make parties, but then again if they didnt want people to solo farm why did they make it so that people could only meet in towns?

the point is that they left the choice to the player, go with a party or dont, its up to you. imo the game is fine as it is, if people bot then its their issue, no one is forcing you to buy their stuff, and if we stop farming and prices soar then more and more people will be buying gold off ebay to get the items they want.